Richard was okay with her continuing her career as long as she rememebered to focus on him and their relationship, too - but she wasn't (at least not that night - once the bad review came I think her priorities changed). That night at dinner her career (or I guess more specifically the exhilaration she got from being onstage) was first in her heart and that got to Richard (as I'm sure it'd get to anyone if their lover was suddenly talking about being onstage the same way they'd talk about being in love).

As for copyrights and changes and WHY they make the changes...

I don't think it's anything to do with copyrights but I'm not really up on laws and stuff. I do know the copyrights of the first English translation of PotO are up and the book (in all or in part) can be reproduced without worry. That's the translation that's the most common cause it is printed the most. No clue about the rights to the later translations (Lowell Bair or Lofficier, for example).

Regardless, I don't think that's the reason they change the story. I think certain people like to focus on certain aspects of the story (this movie for example, I'd say focuses more on the horror & gore of leroux's story, more so than say ALW who focuses on the romance & redemption, or Argento's that focuses on Christine/Phantom sexualality & Christine/Raoul sexual tension, Yeston/Kopit's tenderness, etc etc...) - that's what they like about the story so that's what they revolve it around. Oh wel.. I dunno...

Hmm, I guess you're right. Besides in the eighties wasn't the horror and gore common place? I do like this story cause it gives Erik a human side with the music and the crying when Christine sings his music and the the scary killing part of him.

Englund Phantom is "a mystery wrapped inside a puzzle wrapped in an enigma" (I prolly misquoted that). The man is cruel and yet at the same time, filled with a great and powerful love. One of my favourite scenes in this version is the scene with Maddie, the prostitute. I love her expression in that bit. I also love that he's a merciless killer, but he treats her with almost a reverence, even though he knows she's not really Christine. Plus it's obvious he drastically overpaid her. ^_^

Yeah in the bar, also when he's working on his music...

Those guys come over trying to bother him but the bar-maid (what the heck do you call her?) yells at them and warns them to leave him alone and tells them what a gentleman he is (unlike them).

And I dunno what was common back then for propositioning prostitutes, but even when he is... "approaching" Maddie he offers his arm and walks her. Treats her like a lady you know? He seemed also to be concentrating very much on HER pleasure as well in the bedroom. She woke up with a smile on her face way before she looked at that money.

This Erik "appreciates" the ladies.

Sure he does...and the rape threat counts for naught?

That was the lovely angry phantom rearing his hesd. Um, when Erik gave Christine the ring did they have sex? I think they did but I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

I'm starting to think that's a yes because she wouldn't have that much of a reason to be scared of him if they didn't.

What bothered me about this movie wasn't so much the attempted rape but the leatherface theme and the faust theme and the obvious Freddy Krueger slasher style. Robert Englund isn't so bad, he even has that half-whisper half-speaking voice that's characteristic, but he didn't sing in it, a phantom that doesn't sing is not good!

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Which part is the cemetery scene in? I love that scene!

I think that Englund was a far better Erik. Certainly better then Butler's try at it. Erik is a killer and has not qualms about that. I think that this movie is a good dark version, much darker then the Webber movie version. I liked it and also, I thought that it was far more entertaining then the Webber movie, which made me cringe and hide my head. Englund made the movie. Also, did anyone think that Christine slept with him when she is in his lair and he takes her by that hand and tells her that tonight, she would be his bride and then, fade to black? Big question???

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"Tonight, you will be my bride." is not a rape threat no matter HOW twisted your mind may be, Viscountess. It is merely a statement made by Erik; because in his mind, she already IS his bride.

I didn't mean ^that^ part. I was talking about the lair scene, when he gets on top of her. You have got to let go of what I said of the art thread.

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You'd be a little pissed too if the woman you wanted to spend the rest of your life with tried to run off with an annoying British manager type with bad hair. Hell, I know just how the guy feels.


And no I do not. I have a memory like an elephant when it comes to people who've insulted me. Numerous times.

Destler's hair ain't all that either. And so we interpet this movie differently, you are not fault-free in the "twisted mind" section either.

Ah so, did I hurt your feelings? Would an apology help?

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Both of you said it! And I'm so glad because I mentioned it a while ago and no one agreed with me! I totally think they had sex.

However!!! I think of it as kind of a date rape thing... but he might not have even realized it was "date rape-ish" tho cause Christine was agreeing with everything and promised him. It's just that we as the audience know she's horrified by all this. I don't think Erik even realizes cause he's so pleased that everything is going according to his plan.

And like I said (a million posts ago ), she seemed alot more upset about not being able to get that ring off than she should be if it was just a stuck ring. I think it was a reminder of what just happened.

And REALLY... after that whole exchange in the lair and him telling her she is his bride tonight, are we to believe he just dropped her off at her doorstep during that "fade to black*??? I think not!

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Viscountess, you DO have a point. But I have to agree with erik_heart_rose because up until that point Erik had been very calm with Christine.

Forceful? Yeah, I'll give that to you..

But it's not until he's thoroughly PISSED AT CHRISTINE that he gets violent with her.

That's kind of like Leroux because he's being nice and telling her about music and stuff and it's not until she betrays his trust that he gets mad at her and loses it and that she gets to see the other personality that he controlled so well.

I would have to say this moive gives the best view if the phantom of the opera as a whole. The little devil was funny though.

I totally think that Christine sleep with Erik but I do not think it rape. I do not think that she was scared of him so much as curious and sort of under his spell.
I think that this movie is certainly one of the better and more interesting ones out there.

Hey, for those of you who are a fan of the music from this film composed by Misha Segal, I have the coolest thing to tell you...

So I made that YouTube video using his score set to the 2004 movie ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Ybsky8pF4 ) and Misha commented on it! I just thinks it's awesome that dorky little me made a video and the composer liked it.

And yes, it *IS* him. I had visited his website ( http://www.mishasegal.com/ ) wanting sheet music for Don Juan Triumphant and his PR person Patti emailed me back & gave me his personal email if I'd like to also drop him a note.

By the way, you *CAN* get sheet music. Just go to the link on his site and you can pay by PayPal. $20 USD I believe and they'll send it mail, fax, or email a PDF. Patti said they'd love to be able to give it away for free, but with the amount of requests they recieve, they are compelled to charge a fee. Which was just fine with me! $20 (USD) sounds like a DEAL!

Also, I made a new YouTube video focusing on the love story of Erik & Christine from this film using "Once Upon a Dream" from the musical Jekyll & Hyde. I guess my imagining Christine realizing she really loves Erik and she was wrong to stab him, set him on fire, tear his face off... I guess. Hahahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wl1YYrU8AI

Hey, that's cool Norina. Though I think $20 is steep for just one song. Or is it the full score?

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...you know what... I didn't ask!

I was so happy just to get my hands on ANY of it, I didn't bother with all the details.

And you're right... $20 prolly *IS* steep for one song - but I'm such a nut, and spend extraordinary amounts of money on my obsessions that I guess when I thought I was getting away with just $20 and didn't ask questions. They said you can get a copy of the sheet music and/or cues from the movie. Doesn't really explain, does it?

My problem is that at one time I put TONS of money into my PayPal account and since then (now that it's not in my hand or in my bank account) I don't think of it as actual MONEY anymore - even tho IT IS MONEY. Does that make sense? And I spend spend spend from it, cause in my head I'm not really spending money. So to "spend" $20 out of my PayPal, I didn't think much of it.

Hrm... well... putting that all aside, all I can say is that there's NO other place to get your hands on it, so if you want it, you gotta want it bad enough to pay the money.

Perhaps if enough people inquire, they will release some sort of compilation... I mean Misha has won an Emmy award and written music to several films BESIDES this PotO that I've seen. And tons of TV (hence the Emmy award) - surely people want sheet music to his work!

Hahah. I know what you mean about the spending of money. I'd prolly do the same if I didn't earn the crappy wages I do.

I really wish they would re-release the Englund version. You know like a special edition with commentary etc. I'd love to hear what went on behind the scenes. Robert Englund is such a lunatic on his other movies, I know he did some fun stuff on this one!

I'm surprised they didn't re-release such a DVD shortly after the 2004 movie and more people's interest in Phantom was risen. I know when I went searching for Phantom by Susan Kay a few bookstore people said it got VERY popular and they had ordered alot around the time the 2004 film came out. I bet it would have been worth it!

What really sucks is that the sequel didn't get made - and never will. I'd much prefer a sequel to this version than ALW. But it's been so long since the movie was made that it prolly wouldn't make much money and would confuse people who do not know WHICH PotO movie version is was continuing.

Funny that the name (if they made the sequel) would've been "The Phantom of Manhattan" and it was never made. Perhaps ALW will realize his "Phantom of Manhattan" shouldn't be made either!

We should start a petition. Hell, there's enough petitions around this site to STOP something, we should have one to START something.

I just watched this and I was shocked at how good it was! It had Faust, a murdering Erik ( he did kill people) and a pretty good musical score! I feel that this film touched on darker elements of Erik that other versions seems to ignore or only briefly mention. I would pin this as a definite must watch for fan (phans).

I think this is one of those rare horror movies that is more than meets the eye. I want to find the soundtrack, anyone know where to find it?