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unrequited	Re: Frowns at the Movie Theaters	#448001
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:42 Posts: 123 Offline	I am more of a fan of the movie myself, simply because effects that had to be imagined in the play were acted out in the movie; the movie has awesome special effects. I also approve of Gerard as Erik, rather than Michael Crawford, but I give Michael Crawford the hands down for singing ability. Also I approve of Emmy as Christine. The younger sounding and looking role of Christine seemed to do the POTO good. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:34
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Margarita	Re: That wasn't really music of the night was it?	#448002
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 12:53 Posts: 512 Offline	Actually, if memory serves, it was almost the exact version of the song I have on the longer Original London Cast recording (as opposed to just the highlights recording). Besides, although I love Michael Crawford and he is perhaps my fav singer, I felt that it suited the character more for the voice to be more raw and personally felt it was more emotional than most renditions I've heard. Always remember that this is a film adaptation. ALW himself said that it was not meant to be an exact recreation of the stage show. As long as you are comparing two versions, expecting them to be the same, you'll be disappointed. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:33
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unrequited	Re: Age of the actors	#448003
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:42 Posts: 123 Offline	What do you know, my age! Haha, I definately approve to the younger appearing actors. It seems to bring more life to the story. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:31
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Phan	Re: Erik: "Phact or Phiction"?	#448004
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 8:55 Posts: 172 Offline	Oh, sorry!! So many typos...it's PhantomBelievers....>.> Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:27
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unrequited	Re: Erik's Face	#448005
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:42 Posts: 123 Offline	Haha I've never understood how women are attracted to men in the first place anyway! We smell, we're clumsy, the some of us they call hot aren't really physically attractive (at least I can't see it). But somehow I can see Erik being attractive, because of his talent, genious, and passion. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:26
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unrequited	Re: Christine's psychology	#448006
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:42 Posts: 123 Offline	I think in his mind, the murders were somewhat, if badly justified. After all, as I have started in another thread, Buquet and Piangi both insult Erik in a fashion. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:22
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unrequited	Re: Erik: "Phact or Phiction"?	#448007
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:42 Posts: 123 Offline	Is believers spelt wrong in the group? And how do you join it? Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:20
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Phan	Re: Erik: "Phact or Phiction"?	#448008
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 8:55 Posts: 172 Offline	I want to find out how much fact is in the story and what Erik was really like...if he existed at all. I also want to know what really happened if the story only has a few facts... Oh, and the Yahoo group is PhantomBeleivers. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:16
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Margarita	Re: who'd make a better dad?	#448009
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 12:53 Posts: 512 Offline	My father was not a good man. He told my mother that she brought out the good in him and that she could make him a better man. She is a very kind and caring person and believed that she could save him. They were married only seven years and though he never hit her once, the emotional abuse she endured has haunted her to this day and there are things she will never get over. In the 17 years they've been divorced, everytime I see him he does something that hurts me and my brother and is the only person on this earth I truely fear. I can't remember anything about living with him because it was too painful. All three of us will sometimes get a memory come back to us and marvel at how any of us survived living with him. He says he loves me and wants the best for me, but he has been an emotionally manipulative person all his life and even his second wife, who can control him to an extent, can't keep him from hurting his first family. No one can deny that Erik tried to manipulate Christine, and that even if we understand the reasons, Erik was emotionally unstable. Even if he could convince someone to marry him he is too selfish and jealous to be able to share his wife's affection with a child - he is too much of a child himself and needs a wife to mother him. So personally I feel that this debate is not one that ever needed to be brought up. Cool FICTIONAL character and the kind of person I could get to know and love now, but not the kind of person I would like to have grown up with. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:15
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mademoiselle	Re: Best Bumper Sticker You`ve Ever Seen	#448010
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 19:37 Posts: 119 Offline	RE: Hello back little men!.......What the heck is/was this one? How did the driver Look? Guy or Gal? JTull Goth guy driving p.o.s.! Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 10:11
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Persan	Re: Age of the actors	#448011
protege Joined: 27 Dec 2004 9:07 Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: MadameGiry wrote: I Have seen the movie for "Phantom", but I really didn't see anyone younger than about 17(acting). I am way younger than 17, but are there any children in the actual storyline? Except for young Madame Giry and her other friends at the "Freak Show" well..emmy rossum was 16 when she made the casting. now she's 18. so i think she was about 17 when they started working on the movie. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:55
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Margarita	Re: Unexpected Side Effects	#448012
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 12:53 Posts: 512 Offline	Luckily classes don't start for me until the 10th, but then I've got my lap top in class all day with a two hour break, so I'll still be satiated... But yes this site is addictive. The last of my friends that I could hold a decent conversation with left town this summer to do her Masters and she's not comming back. Here I feel that I've found a place to fill that gap a little, at least until I go away over the summer. And I've never used the internet for anything but e-mail and research before! Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:39
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NotesofDOOM	Re: Phantom game!	#448013
ballet rat Joined: 2 Jan 2005 9:18 Posts: 3 Offline	I think that you should make a Christine too. So you can try to escape from the phantom and try to find Raoul to stop him. o.0 Yes....that's what I think....I'm crazy!! 0.0 Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:34
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Dawnprincess	Re: Tsunami In Asia	#448014
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 6:08 Posts: 72 Offline	My littlesister´s father was there with his girlfriend. They both are badly injured, but alive. But the few days we had no information at all were horrible I´ve donated some money to the victims, but I´m not rich enough to give as much as I´d like to. It truly feels bad. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:29
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Divia	Re: Frowns at the Movie Theaters	#448015
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:33 Posts: 454 Offline	I saw Phantom of the stange when I was younger and I must confess at times I was lost, trying to figure out what happened. I liked it, and would see it again of course, but I really enjoyed seeing the actors facial expressions on the screen. Espically, when we saw Christine's dazed look as she was under the phantoms' spell. I do not recall seeing such expression in the play I saw. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:27
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Phantom_rox	Re: only if you've seen the film - was anyone disapointed when the phantom didn't vanish in the way	#448016
Joined: 5 Oct 2004 15:35 Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: FutureMeg wrote: I did miss the mysterious ending of the play, but I have to say that I really enjoyed the rose and ring on the grave in spite of myself. I love the play so much that I was a little harsh on all of the changes made for the movie, but I've eased up a bit now that I've let it sink in. And the thrown disappearance wasn't from the book was it. It's been a year or two since I last read it, but didn't it state pretty clearly that he died? There was an ad in the newspaper right? "Erik is dead" Yeah it did say Erik is dead in a newspaper in the book, but we never know if he dies or not. You can't tell in the musical or the movie. He just sort of disappears in both . I loved the rose and ring though! Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:16
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Divia	Re: It wasn't as good as I'd hoped	#448017
Joined: 30 Dec 2004 20:33 Posts: 454 Offline	I'm not quiet sure why everyone detests Joel Schumacher. I thought his style fit well in this movie by making it a great spectical to look at. As for Sarah B. Ick. IMO, she's like nails against a chalkboard, so I am pleased they did not use her or Crawford. Could the phantom have been a little older? Yeah. Could they have used different singers...gonna have to say yeah here too. But overall it was nice. Please don't be like those horrid Star Wars Fanboys who constantly complain that Lucas did not follow THEIR versions to make episodes I, II, and III. Of course you have a right to like it or not...but as soon as you turn into one of those freaks you lose all crediblity. It's been a long wait for many of us, and no doubt we all had our visions of what should be, but the important thing is now allowing our expectations to get in the way of the movie. For our expectations tend to be too high. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:15
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Persan	Re: Is Erik denying Christine not loving him ?	#448018
protege Joined: 27 Dec 2004 9:07 Posts: 25 Offline	....sorry.....i forgot the space between "him..." and "generally".... Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:14
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Dawnprincess	Re: Phantom game!	#448019
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 6:08 Posts: 72 Offline	Fantastic idea! I would play a game like that, as Erik of course Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:13
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prying_pandora	Re: Phantom Movie Thread, for all who have seen it already!!	#448020
ballet rat Joined: 1 Jan 2005 23:56 Posts: 13 Offline	I totally agree with Tripper00000...awesome review. I agree with you about Raoul to a point...but I just don't like the guy. To me, he's the safe choice, and she runs back to him, even though she actually belongs with the Phantom. But that's the dangerous choice...you have no idea what to expect...I guess some people go for that more. I would say personally I would pick the Phantom, but you never know what you would do actually being the situation (not to mention it's not actually real lol...gotta remind myself of that sometimes). Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:13
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Persan	Re: Is Erik denying Christine not loving him ?	#448021
protege Joined: 27 Dec 2004 9:07 Posts: 25 Offline	Quote: sassy_girl wrote: "Monsieur, I bid you welcome. Did you think that I would harm her ? Why would I make her pay for the sins wich are yours." Isn't that basically denying the fact that Christine betreayed him and was the bait so the police could get him... generally, when you love someone you try to find an excuse for everything bad this someone does. so i think erik blames raoul of having in some way taken christine's attention away from him. that's why he says "Why would I make her pay for the sins wich are yours". probably if christine and raoul had never met, at the end christine's choice would have been different. as for christine betraying him...well i think his don juan was way too tempting for him. he was about to play the main role in his own opera WITH CHRISTINE. the fact that she was betraying him was the least important thing. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:12
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Sweet_Rhapsody2005	Re: who'd make a better dad?	#448022
ballet rat Joined: 29 Dec 2004 18:58 Posts: 18 Offline	Quote: EternalMasque wrote: A child that he could cradle in his arms, would do him a world of good. In my eyes, with the way that he was treated, he would undoubtedly make sure that his child, would not suffer the same as he. Ever hear your parents use the term " We just want you to have it better then we did" Hmm, that's what I had in mind. Erik would treat the child with the love he never recieved and would teach the child to look past appearances. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:06
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Phantom_rox	Re: the fight	#448023
Joined: 5 Oct 2004 15:35 Posts: 246 Offline	Quote: stitchgrl wrote: This scene was out of character. IF Erik were to ever duel Raoul, he wouldn't have needed to exert so much energy. Gerry had an awfully struggling time fighting Wilson. As for the real Erik, I see him not even moving much of his body and just blocking a headstrong Raoul with a few taps of his sword before he eventually hits the instrument out of the Vicomte's hands with very little effort. Ever see Mask of Zorro where in the training scene between Banderas and Hopkins, Banderas attacks frantically and Hopkins smacks the sword out of Banderas' hand in half a second? That would be a real fight Erik couldn't have stayed still fighting Raoul in that scene cause Raoul kept running away. Right in the beginning of the fight, Raoul jumps off the ledge! Erik's not just going to wait for him to come back and fight! I thought the scene was really good. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 9:01
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Sweet_Rhapsody2005	Re: Unexpected Side Effects	#448024
ballet rat Joined: 29 Dec 2004 18:58 Posts: 18 Offline	I've only been here a few days and now I can't get through a day without being on here! Makes me wonder what I'm going to do when classes start for me on Tuesday. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 8:55
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Dawnprincess	Re: Is Erik denying Christine not loving him ?	#448025
Joined: 31 Dec 2004 6:08 Posts: 72 Offline	Yeah, at least I think it is. Alltho I think Erik is a good-looking, sexy genious, I can´t deny his, erm... madness. I happen to think it makes his character so great. The situation in that point is very exciting, and Erik, of course, loves Christine. So why wouldn´t he blame somebody else? I would. Posted on: 2 Jan 2005 8:40
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